POLYGAMY BOOKS: Recent Comments

Comment on MORMON POLYGAMY, A QUASI-RELIGIOUS FACADE

Mahonri — 2010-03-10T19:54:28Z

Carmine,

Bad behavior does not change unless someone recognizes it and takes the time and energy to expose the bad behavior. Until bad behavior is exposed, no collective good can replace it.

If I understand Mr. Llewellyn's position correctly, it is the corruption in the AUB (and other organized polygamist groups) that he takes issue with.

The corruption can be misuse of member's tithing money for the benefit of the leaders, the de facto assigning of plural wives to reward "valiant" brethren, unrighteous dominion over members lives etc.

The human condition is such that many men will always seek out multiple sex partners. The argument Mr. Llewellyn makes is that justifying what is natural by having "one holding the proper keys" and sanctifying such relationships, only on condition the men pay homage to him and his authority, is not only wrong but inevitably leads to unrighteous dominion and abuse of power.

Corruption is corruption in the AUB whether it is the "merchandising of wives", the "misuse of fiduciary authority" or theft as all are based on the belief the Brethren are Christ's true and only authoritative people on earth.

It is not a stretch to connect all the dots when exposing corruption.

You seem quite strident in your comments and lecture Mr. Llewellyn for wasting his time and energy in taking on the corruption in the AUB. "Me thinks you protesteth too much" and waste your time and energy in chastising him.

Clearly you have not conquered your own Mormon Fundalmentalist demons.

Mahonri

Comment on MORMON POLYGAMY, A QUASI-RELIGIOUS FACADE

Carmine — 2010-03-09T22:01:43Z

A bit of a stretch don't you think John?
Hill vs AUB is now about "merchandising plural wives"?

I struggle to imagine the amount of time and energy you expend thinking of new ways to twist any and all problems to be the fault of polygamy.

I wonder what you would do with all the time and energy you would have if you let go of all the animosity and pain that you hold on to.

I wonder what kind of amazing things you could create in this life if your energy and talents were directed towards creating peace and harmony and understanding.

Comment on Mormon Fundamentalism Often Leads To Atheism

Carmine — 2010-03-01T16:39:27Z

Book of Mormon evidence is plentiful if it is looked for. Check out Wayne May and the various books and articles he has published.
There is more proof of the Book of Mormon civilizations then their is of Obama's citizenship or of Virginia Hill ever having that huge stash of dirty money.

John, why don't you post any of my comments? I know they won't help you sell any books but they are relevant to your wild accusations...

Comment on How I Became A Skeptic

Carmine — 2010-02-27T19:25:57Z

Great Marketing John.

Anyone that has a beef with a polygamist call me, I am lead investigator on 2 high profile cases that rewarded crooks who dealt with crooks.

I will make those dirty polygamists pay for all the pain they caused me, uh, oops, I mean you.

I was there, I bought into all the rhetoric and was really mad when I found out I was responsible for my life and I couldn't count on someone else (AUB leaders) to make all my decisions for me.

As you can tell from all my ranting I am now a "happy monogamist". Don't I sound happy???

Comment on WHEN AN IDEAL BECOMES AN IDEAL (HILL VS. AUB)

Carmine — 2010-02-27T04:02:13Z

Way to twist things.

Now AUB murders "nonconforming members and gentiles"? Why stop there? I bet they are single handedly responsible for all the climate changes and endangered species as well.

Keep digging John, with your investigative skills you should be able to show some involvement in the holocaust and maybe even the crucifiction of Christ. Great work, bud...

Comment on TRAUMA THAT WON'T GO AWAY

Carmine — 2010-02-27T02:56:18Z

Wow!!! So much for personal accountability.

So women are less accountable then men and incapable of making decisions. Maybe we should pass a law that doesn't allow them to make choices since they seem to be so easily deceived by these horrible men.

Only a special branch of the government overseen by you should be able to decide who they can marry. Then there would be no more hurt, pain or unhappiness in their lives.

That would be so great if we couldn't make any choices? Then we wouldn't have to learn to make wise choices from the experiences we create making unwise choices.

Are you sure this is a new idea? It seems like I have heard this plan somewhere before. Oh yeah, didn't Satan offer a similar plan in the pre-existence?

Yeah, I am going to have to go ahead and stick with the decision I made there and be accountable for my choices. And also encourage others to take responsibility for theirs.

Yep, no blaming someone else if I am unhappy. I'll just go make different choices. John, maybe you should consider doing the same. I know you wouldn't be able to sell as many books but you will definitely have more peace in your life and your families. It probably sounds scary so maybe just try it for one day. Today I will not blame AUB for the unhappiness and pain in my life. You will see how good and empowering it feels and then be able to stretch up to several days in a row. Pretty soon you will be living a whole new life of power and freedom, which is what God has intended for you from the beginning.

Let me know how it goes...

Comment on Hill vs. AUB update - 10-25-09

Carmine — 2010-02-26T20:51:14Z

Interesting that it is pretty well established that everyone involved in this are "thieves and liars" (Hill, Shugart, Putvin, Norman, Sandmire, Mathews, AUB) but it is your opinion that only one side of the argument is lying... Nice unbiased perspective...

Comment on HOW CAN I ENCOURAGE MORE COMMENTS?

Carmine — 2010-02-26T20:39:08Z

Well said Erastus...

"Another persons beliefs are sacred and personal to them. You don't need to agree with my beliefs for them to be right for me."

If you truly believed your perspective was correct why are you so interested in a bunch of polygamists agreeing with you? Why don't you move on and use your energy to create the life you want instead of wasting so much energy lashing out and blaming people from your past for the choices you made and the problems you have created???

Comment on HOW CAN I ENCOURAGE MORE COMMENTS?

Carmine — 2010-02-26T03:38:45Z

I find it interesting that all human drama continues to play out in one of three roles, VICTIM - VILLAIN - HERO. If I tend to be the HERO then in order to maintain my story that I am a HERO, I must see others as either VICTIMS that I need to protect/save or VILLAINS that I need to bring to justice or protect the poor VICTIMS from.

John you sure seem to spend a lot of energy playing the HERO. The downside of this is a HERO will only play the HERO long enough to feel like a VICTIM that nobody understands or appreciates.

Thus we get to hear about how concerned you are for the members of AUB (VICTIMS you created in your mind to support your HERO persona)and how frustrated you are that they don't respond to you (misunderstood VICTIM) Or we can read how Virginia Hill (VICTIM) was maligned by the Big, Bad AUB (VILLAIN) and is now finally getting justice from the wonderful Judge (HERO) thanks to support from Rod (HERO) and you (SUPER HERO).

I wonder what life would be like in a world where everyone took responsibility for their choices and quit blaming everyone else for them.

I am a strong believer in Karma and that if you operate outside of integrity your bound to create experiences that force you back into integrity sometimes in very harsh manners.

I can't think of a better example of Karma coming around to slap a whole chain of no integrity clowns then this crazy story.
So you have Virginia Hill with a whole stash of dirty money thinking she can operate out of integrity and benefit from it. This combination of course attracts John Shugart another stellar beacon of integrity who promises to connect her with someone with lots of experience in pulling off dirty deals John Putvin. At this point you already have a recipe for Fraud soup. No matter which direction you go from here its a mess. Now bring into play a crazy polygamist cult famous for gold fever and there is no hope for redemption.

This seems pretty simple to me. Make the fraudulent thieves Shugart, Putvin and any AUB members who knowingly were involved pay back the 1.54 million with no interest.

She would have got no interest on her dirty money if it was left in her basement or wherever you hide that much cash that you don,t want to account for. Giving her any interest or punitive damages only rewards her for bad behavior and lets her off the hook for being out of integrity in the first place. This also uses the legal system to launder her dirty money. Maybe that was the plan in the first place. Did you ever think of that?

How about this as well. We let the members of AUB experience Karma and learn from their choices and actions.
They are responsible for their choices and the state of their lives not AUB. There is plenty of info out there for them to make informed decisions and I bet they believe that they are.

I know you have a lot of emotional attachment to AUB but did you ever consider that someday you will have to let it go and take responsibility for your life too.

Comment on A PROPHACY ABOUT TO BE FULFILLED

Wendyjo — 2010-02-25T05:31:42Z

hahahahaha! Have you been listening to that moron from Idaho, Mitt Romney, proclaim that he and his fellow mormons will save the U.S. of A. and the constitution once he is elected governor of Idaho (and eventually president); that'll be the day - NOT!

So I just watched and enjoyed the episode of "What Love Is This," with you as a guest - recorded last week, February 18, 2010. Good show.

I'm just wondering if Mark Shurtleff, Utah Attorney General, is related to Bill Shurtleff, Idaho Falls head councilman?

The last name is unusual, they're both in politics and Utah and Idaho are neighbors so the question is sorta appropriate.

I'll keep up with your blog. It does appear interesting and a good addition to Doris' show.

Thanks in advance!