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Comment on MORMON POLYGAMY, A QUASI-RELIGIOUS FACADE

Carmine — 2010-03-17T02:00:59Z

I agree with your description of "corruption" and have never pretended to defend AUB or any other organization in their corrupt practices.
In fact I have yet to see an organization that is not riddled with some form of corruption as you describe.
My question is "Why AUB?"
To me it is pretty obvious. Just follow the money and you will find the motive. John obviously stands to profit considerably for all the "hard work" he has done for Mrs. Hill. He has been able to up the anti by saturating the internet with his "expert opinion" which I am sure will not go unrewarded.
We already have the Supreme Court overturning other courts to punish a group of dirty polygamists. Hard to beleive in UT I know.
Somehow now in his opinion, AUB is responsible for any and all bad stories that come out of polygamy.
I suspect that after AUB antes up and John and his team of "trusted" associates take their victory trip to Disneyland we wont be hearing much more about AUB. They will have been punished, John will get paid and life will go on.
Will anything change? Will people stop CHOOSING to live polygamy?
No, because we can never take away peoples power to CHOOSE. If we try to that is true coercion.
My "chastising" him is mostly sarcasm intended to invite people to consider that the opinions here are just that "opinions" (mine included).

Comment on A REPLY TO CARMINE

Carmine — 2010-03-17T01:11:02Z

Is virginia Hill entitled to interest? I beleive she is. She is entitled to interest accrued at the exact same rate it was being accrued when the stolen mafia money was sitting in the banana box in her basement.

How much interest would you or I have earned on a big stack of stolen cash we were hiding?

Comment on A REPLY TO BILL

Carmine — 2010-03-16T21:13:33Z

I just want to make sure i have this correct.
Due to the Y-chromosome factor you mention above, Males are naturally polygamists. Since Scientists tell us this it is acceptable.
So scientists tell us it is perfectly natural to have desires towards more then one mate and they use this truth to justify irresponsible sexual relations and fear of commitment in our society at large.
But those dirty Mormons (especially that liar Joe Smith), if they tell you that it is perfectly normal to have the same desires the scientist talks about, but that you also need to be responsible for your sexual behavior and accountable for the children that come from it, well, then there version is "coercion".
Not sure that pot holds water even from a scientific perspective.

If science proves that males are naturally polygamists, couldn't the argument be made that society at large has coerced males into being monogamous?
If a mans DNA and genetic make up nature incline him a certain direction but society discourages it and even, oh I don't know, say throws him in jail if he does "what feels right", would you consider that "coercion"? Maybe even on a grander scale then what these horrible AUB folks perpetrate?

Or is it only wrong if you ties to Mormonism?

Lets talk about thieves and liars.

Where did Virginia Hill get 1+million dollars in cash? Why are you so reluctant to talk about here mafia connections? If the money was legit why not use a bank and a real estate agent to make a major purchase? Millions of other people are doing it everyday. Why seek out/attract crooks to assist you in this type of a transaction? If the money is legit the right type of people are a phone call away.
Could it be that bankers and real estate agents work in a tightly regulated field and handling the type of transaction she was creating would jeopardize the careers of legitimate businessmen?

Comment on How I Became A Skeptic

John Llewellyn — 2010-03-15T14:08:46Z

My first wife divorced me and became the 5th wife of a more affluent polygamist, I am legally married to my 2nd wife. My 3rd wife divorced me and stayed in the group.

Comment on A REPLY TO CARMINE

wille — 2010-03-14T22:43:26Z

well said john and carmine -- you both had good opinions -- but!what do you both expect to come of your debates? could it be to see who is the more knoweledgeable and the winner of this debate or will you both work to find the proper solution to the problem you both feel exists with in the polygamy community - that would really be something -- gentlemen - with out the polygamist -- you both would have to find something else to do -- have a great one -- nick. enough

Comment on How I Became A Skeptic

Judith — 2010-03-14T15:56:32Z

Hello Mr. Lewellyn:
I am grateful for your writing. What happened to your plural wives when you left polygamy? Thanks.
js

Comment on TV APPEARANCE - THURSDAY, MARCH 11, 8PM

Bill — 2010-03-12T14:47:23Z

Doris complains when she is told she lies, yet you call Joseph a liar, etc. You don't have the right to call anyone a liar. Also, did you really say you don't have a problem with polygamy as long as it's concentual? Doris said nothing.

Comment on MORMON POLYGAMY, A QUASI-RELIGIOUS FACADE

Mahonri — 2010-03-10T19:54:28Z

Carmine,

Bad behavior does not change unless someone recognizes it and takes the time and energy to expose the bad behavior. Until bad behavior is exposed, no collective good can replace it.

If I understand Mr. Llewellyn's position correctly, it is the corruption in the AUB (and other organized polygamist groups) that he takes issue with.

The corruption can be misuse of member's tithing money for the benefit of the leaders, the de facto assigning of plural wives to reward "valiant" brethren, unrighteous dominion over members lives etc.

The human condition is such that many men will always seek out multiple sex partners. The argument Mr. Llewellyn makes is that justifying what is natural by having "one holding the proper keys" and sanctifying such relationships, only on condition the men pay homage to him and his authority, is not only wrong but inevitably leads to unrighteous dominion and abuse of power.

Corruption is corruption in the AUB whether it is the "merchandising of wives", the "misuse of fiduciary authority" or theft as all are based on the belief the Brethren are Christ's true and only authoritative people on earth.

It is not a stretch to connect all the dots when exposing corruption.

You seem quite strident in your comments and lecture Mr. Llewellyn for wasting his time and energy in taking on the corruption in the AUB. "Me thinks you protesteth too much" and waste your time and energy in chastising him.

Clearly you have not conquered your own Mormon Fundalmentalist demons.

Mahonri

Comment on MORMON POLYGAMY, A QUASI-RELIGIOUS FACADE

Carmine — 2010-03-09T22:01:43Z

A bit of a stretch don't you think John?
Hill vs AUB is now about "merchandising plural wives"?

I struggle to imagine the amount of time and energy you expend thinking of new ways to twist any and all problems to be the fault of polygamy.

I wonder what you would do with all the time and energy you would have if you let go of all the animosity and pain that you hold on to.

I wonder what kind of amazing things you could create in this life if your energy and talents were directed towards creating peace and harmony and understanding.

Comment on Mormon Fundamentalism Often Leads To Atheism

Carmine — 2010-03-01T16:39:27Z

Book of Mormon evidence is plentiful if it is looked for. Check out Wayne May and the various books and articles he has published.
There is more proof of the Book of Mormon civilizations then their is of Obama's citizenship or of Virginia Hill ever having that huge stash of dirty money.

John, why don't you post any of my comments? I know they won't help you sell any books but they are relevant to your wild accusations...